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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Sept 27, 2012 8:21:52 GMT -5
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Post by Savitar on Sept 28, 2012 20:34:51 GMT -5
Argh! You give great reviews but I have to wait till next week before I can get my copy of #0. So-Must-Avoid-Spoilers!!!!  |
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Sept 28, 2012 23:06:19 GMT -5
Not a problem - my review is more than a little spoileriffic so you probably do want to hold off reading it for now.
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Post by jonqcitizen on Sept 30, 2012 13:52:12 GMT -5
Wow! Great Review! I didn't notice the "HIM" at first, but after rereading the issue, you may be right.....a wonderful little "extra" that could have epic ramifications to and for future story arcs, and Barry's character in general.
What I love about the issue is that it's the "calm before the storm"....just a free-flowing, tweaked origin story to get you all laid back and calm while ignoring the 800-pound Gorilla in the corner waiting for next month!!
I remained purposefully vague so that Savitar may not go into the issue all "spoiled" next week. I have deeper thoughts I may share after you've read it Savitar.....
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Sept 30, 2012 19:56:00 GMT -5
Thanks - and like you I'm wondering what Savitar will think after reading the issue.
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Post by Savitar on Oct 3, 2012 21:19:17 GMT -5
First off, let me get a small rant off my chest.
Over at Speed Force, the majority of posters are bemoaning this new 'My parents are dead so I must become a superhero' aspect to Barry when this clearly isn't the case.
Nora's death inspired Barry, gave him focus, a purpose, a career, in trying to prove his father's innocence. He never became inspired to become a superhero, never swore vengeance, didn't travel the globe for years learning esoteric skills for fighting crime.
It was only after he resolved his feelings over his parents' fate, when he gained his powers, that he was inspired to put on a costume and help others. He hasn't abandoned his father but Barry won't let his case dominate his life as it had before.
Plus, it's more realistic, which is strange when discussing a superhero comic. Your parents divorcing is going to be a traumatic event for any child, regardless of age. I've seen too much of Discovery ID and the Evening news to know that powerful emotions can get the best of anyone and tragedies can and do occur.
There's more to Nora's death than we've seen so far. This only expands Barry's character as he seeks the truth, which he may or may not be ready to learn.
Saying that, I agree with you xBarryxAllenx, Frye was probably involved with Nora, perhaps even causing this split. I'm not sure I'd go as far to say that he is Barry's biological father, but perhaps he saw in Barry the child he and Nora could and maybe should have had.
The bit with the metallic costume, that was cool, even basing the design on speed skaters costume. What I liked was that Barry spent time in the hospital with serious burns from the accident. It's one of those details that in hindsight makes perfect sense. A man gets struck by lightning, bathed in numerous chemicals and yet goes out to dinner the same night. Yeah, it does sound crazy now. ;D
But that's what Manapul and Co have done here, they've steadily built up Barry's world, both personal and professionally, in new and expanded ways. This was a terrific issue, with the usual great art (we are getting spoiled on it, really).
This team have really made this title into a must-read for me every month. Well done fellas, very well done.
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Post by jonqcitizen on Oct 6, 2012 4:47:05 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly Savitar....Well Said!
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Post by speedster on Oct 11, 2012 20:00:12 GMT -5
First off, let me get a small rant off my chest. [snip] Yeppers. It was a wonderful inversion of the cliche. Not to start a "thing" here, but I wonder how many of them have actually read the issue. Something I notice a LOT on comic boards (though, to be honest, not really here) is that people love to complain about story elements they only know from a loose summary or tidbits gathered from various sources, but not actually seeing the execution of it. Well, in any event (and shameless plugging) here is my review: znculturecast.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/speed-reading-the-flash-0/ |
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Post by speedster on Oct 11, 2012 20:07:02 GMT -5
xBarryxAllenx:
Interesting theory on Frye being...closer to Barry than he/we think. I do not know if I buy fully into it, mostly because I feel that revelation would have come out by this point, particularly with Barry's science background, Frye raising Barry, and the whole police investigation into the murder of his mother (honestly, if dad thought that about Frye, the cops would have investigated it).
I can buy into that Frye was having an affair with Barry's mom however.
I guess we'll find out as we go along.
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Post by Savitar on Oct 16, 2012 19:15:21 GMT -5
First, great review speedster. Agree wholeheartedly with you, I don't see how this 'darkens' Barry since Barry isn't acting any darker. He still displays the same....noble virtue that he's been known for since the Silver Age.
Second, if Frye was involved with Nora somehow and the police did investigate her murder to any degree, I have to wonder how much, if any, Frye did to cover up any evidence of his involvement with her.
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Oct 16, 2012 19:53:48 GMT -5
Second, if Frye was involved with Nora somehow and the police did investigate her murder to any degree, I have to wonder how much, if any, Frye did to cover up any evidence of his involvement with her. Wow, that's a very interesting thought...and you're right, wonder if he did cover up evidence of any involvement he may have had with her. |
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Post by speedster on Oct 16, 2012 23:41:18 GMT -5
First, great review speedster. Agree wholeheartedly with you, I don't see how this 'darkens' Barry since Barry isn't acting any darker. He still displays the same....noble virtue that he's been known for since the Silver Age. Thank you. I think this is being over-thought. If he was having an affair, the police would have been able to look into it. For starters, Barry's dad would have ratted him out since he seemed to know about it. From there, an investigation would have been looked at (possibly even with internal affairs). Also, since Frye is being depicted as a good, stand-up guy proud of his police work and caring for Barry, it would be a stretch that he'd go to all the trouble to cover something up such as an affair. While it may not be moral, he didn't do anything wrong in a legal sense. The problem, I suppose, is that it was left a bit too vague. Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess. I guess my point is that I'd be surprised if they do a bait and switch with Frye since they *just* did one with Dr. Elias. |
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Post by Savitar on Oct 19, 2012 23:35:36 GMT -5
Guess that comes from watching too many Law & Order reruns and Discovery ID. ;D
You're probably right, Frye is still respected as an officer and commander, Barry still holds him in high regard.
I think his possible involvement with Nora, to whatever degree, was left intentionally vague. Frye may know more about what actually happened to Nora than he thinks. It may take Barry's actions and intent to bring that knowledge into focus for Frye.
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Post by jonqcitizen on Oct 26, 2012 11:31:50 GMT -5
....Not to start a "thing" here, but I wonder how many of them have actually read the issue. Something I notice a LOT on comic boards (, to be honest, not really here) is that people love to complain about story elements they only know from a loose summary or tidbits gathered from various sources, but not actually seeing the execution of it.....
A forum I belong to that names itself after some "Ringslingers" is almost famous for it's negativity, which generally drives away intelligent people. I've found a few there like myself, but the rants from the ignorant far outweigh the intelligent thoughts of the few.
They rant about The Flash as well, many hating everything about it because it's not Wally West....of course, they hate Green Lantern as well....which makes me feel bad for any GL fan who thinks they've found the "perfect" forum for fans of GL.
On another site named after internet pre-adolescent males, a "fan" rants that the new Gorilla War arc is "lame"....? Makes me truly wonder if he read the issue at all. I answered that not having an appreciation for "Apey Goodness" is "lame" (I'm also a huge Planet of the Apes fan)....I know, pulled into the negativity...though I tried to be respectful.
I wonder if fans took a few minutes to see all the good in a particular issue (I will be honest and say some issues just "bite", but most have something good), and post what they liked....we'd have much more positive, entertaining, & intelligent forums around the internet....and new or potentially new readers would be much more inclined to jump on to reading, collecting, and posting their thoughts. |
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Oct 26, 2012 18:32:05 GMT -5
One of the many great things about being associated with this forum is the thoughtful and reasonable way our members post. Even when we disagree, it is handled well - and that is thanks to all of you. It is truly a joy to get to hear from everyone on this site!
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Post by speedster on Oct 31, 2012 22:32:53 GMT -5
One of the many great things about being associated with this forum is the thoughtful and reasonable way our members post. Well...we need to put a stop to that right now. |
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