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Post by eightball19 on Sept 3, 2011 10:17:33 GMT -5
I found it quite confusing and a bit rushed, zoom was defeated quickly, the part where Barry was running and seeing all the timelines was kinda confusing, on the other hand I did like the ending with Barry giving Bruce the note from his dad and the artwork was nice
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Post by golddragon71 on Sept 3, 2011 13:37:25 GMT -5
Poor Thawne I actually feel bad for him. here he was Barry's best Villain, and what really amounts to a week or so of freedom from Prison and he gets run through by Batman's Dad....(at least we got a nice figure of him for the trouble)
Seriously this whole thing is really lousy in my mind and I've really lost faith we'll ever have the True DCU back to the way it belongs. I'm starting to wonder if Didio and co. are secretly working for Marvel or Todd McFarlane to destroy DC from within. (actually that's been a theory of mine since 2003 when the Super books started putting all the SA influences into Superman.
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Sept 3, 2011 18:22:02 GMT -5
Actually, I'm okay with the issue overall. I liked the twist of Barry causing this whole thing inadvertently by trying to stop Thawne. And, I truly liked Thomas Wayne coming through with the save and finding a way to end Zoom without Barry having to carry that around with him (at least for now, you know how these time paradoxes work XD). The ending with Barry delivering the letter to Bruce was one of the more touching scenes I've read in comics (and I've been reading since the 1960's). The only part where we were a bit shortchanged was the actual transition of time lines. It was a great splash page, but we didn't get a real payoff of an explanation...and that of course is on purpose. We are already being pulled into the next "event" series, with these "Easter Egg" appearances planned for the mysterious figure in each of the new 52 #1 issues. Hopefully that payoff will make sense later on, but other than that I'm not sure they could have wrapped this up better without taking several more issues. Overall, I'm OK with our visit to the Flashpoint universe. I could honestly revisit this "Elseworld" again sometime, particularly with Thomas Wayne.
In the end, though, I don't think this story or the DCnU was aimed at me, as my generation faded out of comics buying long ago. I'm (as I've said before) an aberration, someone who still collects in my 50's. And, even those who started collecting in the early "Post-Crisis" era are now in their 30's and 40's and fading out of the market. If they can grab the teens and early 20's folks with this new approach, I'll be fine...after all, I'd like to be able to share my love of comics with the grandkids I hope to have some day, and I'd like that market to be thriving even then.
That's what I think this is about...and so far, even though there are some things I don't like, I'm overall okay with the changes I've seen. OK, if they keep Barry and Iris apart in the long run I'll be ticked off, but if they can write more scenes like Barry's last conversation with Bruce (and if they can develop characters as well as they did Thomas Wayne) I think I'll be okay in the long run, too.
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Post by badasssnocone on Sept 4, 2011 0:24:53 GMT -5
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It could have and should have been MUCH better.
In looking at Flashpoint as a whole, I'd give it a 71% rating.
O btw, in the series, Barry basically contradicts himself. In Issue 3, Batman asks him why he doesn't go back in time and Barry says that doing so can have adverse effects, yet in Issue 5 we find out he went back in time, causing adverse effects! If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Sept 4, 2011 6:55:11 GMT -5
You have a good point about the contradiction, although in a way that turned into more foreshadowing. He obviously didn't recall making the change, and in the end he was right - that one change was catastrophic. All that said, I think any one of us with the power to go back in time would be highly tempted to make changes as well.
In an odd way, though, this whole story reinforces an old Silver Age maxim regarding time travel. Supes tried to stop Lincoln's assasination and found he wasn't able to do so. In all the time travel stories involving characters (especially Supes and Flash) the rule would be reinforced that you either couldn't change time or that something horrible would happen if you did. And, here we are well past the Silver Age spending the "big" event series re-proving that very idea.
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Post by golddragon71 on Sept 4, 2011 10:24:14 GMT -5
Well that was the whole point of the 2002 remake of The Time Machine was that you couldn't go back in time and change the thing that made you want to go back in time to change........ok thats double talk
The lead characters girlfriend was killed which caused him to build a time machine for the purpose of stopping her death but her death was the necessary catalyst for the time machine's creation and it couldn't be "un-made" which meant that the girl would have to die in some way. so that the time machine would be built.
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Post by Savitar on Oct 20, 2011 18:39:15 GMT -5
As a coda to the tragic relationship between Barry and Thawne, #5 was pretty good.
But the shoehorning of the cosmic change of the DCU near the end felt forced. Even though we knew it was coming, to me, it seemed odd and out of place, as in 'Why IS this happening??'
Spoiled the emotional flow of the story to that point.
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Post by xBarryxAllenx on Oct 21, 2011 19:39:46 GMT -5
It was like a lot of major event comics, a little too rushed at the end. Other than that it was a good series, but I'll have to agree with Savitar here as to how rushed it was at the end.
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